1900 WV Dnepr rebuild, with TURBO!

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1900 WV Dnepr rebuild, with TURBO!

Post by Mouse » Mon Apr 03, 2017 10:52 pm

It's been a long time in the making, over a year now, as I've had a few issues along the way regarding health and relationships etc. But now I'm working on the project regularly I thought I'd break the ice and start posting up a few (million) photos I've been making over the last 15 months or so in order to give myself a kick up the arse and get it going in time for the Big Knock.

The project stems from the old 1900cc VW / Dnepr project I lashed up in almost no time at all about 6 years ago and then drove to Slovenia as its shake down run. I started the project with this as the log book is already registered with DVLA as a diesel conversion and I still have it on my insurance as a custom built bike which makes the paperwork a tad easier. I am also 'doing it properly' rather than bodging any old sh*t together, not that it will mean it won't look like a post apocalyptic abortion for that but hopefully it will function better as a machine and last longer than a season before going horribly wrong. It is also taking a million times longer to get anything done because of this decision.

Because of various issues with the previous design I decided to scrap most of what was left of it and patted my self on the back for keeping the chassis in the garden rotting for all this time to save the log book and identity that took a lot of work to get through the DVLA .

I actually started the build using a naturally aspirated engine then after obtaining a WV AFN turbo engine switched to that one which meant redoing a bunch of chassis and exhaust / inlet work. I may or may not mention in the build blog then this occurs as I will most certainly not be posting photos in strict chronological order.

The AFN engine is the one with the variable geometry turbo and 110hp as standard. That is boost is controlled by tuning the static vanes in the turbo rather than using sub optimal geometry and a waste-gate valve to prevent over boost at high power / rpm. The variable turbo will hopefully allow me to tune it to suit a bike setup and also more importantly tune it for economy. I won't mention that there are claims of people getting 150+hp with simple remapping and with simple parts changed there are claims of 200+hp as that would be irresponsible and silly. I won't also mention buying and removing another engine from a car and transporting through the mountains and Brecon Beacons behind the Z482 powered bike before realising it was the wrong edition engine as I don't admit to that sort of thing. :cry:

Since building the last bike being the Z482/ BMW conversion I have purchased several tools that will help me build this bike:
A Warco BH600 Lathe seen in some photos below.
A 25 Tonne pipe bender.
A DC inverter welder.
I then taught myself to weld aluminium with Youtube and an oxy-propane torch so expect some hilariously bad ally welding at some point.
And I also tided my shed.

I got the welder because of my failing back last year but since realise that not only are they very light indeed and can be carried around by a cripple but they are much better to weld with than the elcheapo buzz boxes from Aldi and also much cheaper to feed than a MIG as there is no monthly gas rent to buy even when you don't use it.

I'll post up the chassis development first and then over the next few weeks post up other sections as I see fit. For those of you paying attention the electronic control of the fly-by-wire VP37 diesel injection pump is not yet proven to work and will be covered in the electrics section of the forum when the time is right.

The basic overall spec as it stands at the moment is:
VW 1900cc AFN variable turbo diesel engine.
Matching VW 5 speed car gearbox.
Dnepr headstock and front chassis parts.
1200 Bandit front end.
Berlingo intercooler.
1200 bandit sports silencer
Audi TT (and others) bevel box.
Yamaha SR125 seat.
Spax Coilover shock.
Some random spring.
Volvo hub with common ford stud pattern.
Ford alloy ST170 spare wheel interchangeable with,
Ford pattern standard car wheel.

The project is far from finished but I feel a lot of the grunt work has been done so here are the front chassis parts being made.

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So it starts with what is left from the old 1900cc Dnepr conversion.

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Then it is laying everything out on the floor to get an idea of scale and proportion.

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This includes the bevel box from an Audi TT and similar class car. (More about that when I come to do the transmission update but I will say it is from a car with approx 200hp so will be robust)

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At times like this I wonder what I'm doing.

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Everything is central to the engine so I made this guide thing to help alignment.

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Conveniently the engine sits between the chassis tubes.

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Chassis bits are fabricated.

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On the lathe :)

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To make thick load supporting spacers.

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And some sturdy mounting lugs.

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The idea is the chassis is spaced from the engine to aid removal and assembly of the chassis from the engine.

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Then on to the other chassis tubes. I decided there was no chance of fitting a top tube into my design ideas so hacked it off and started making new support tubes that will attach to the engine on what I thnk are original mounting holes.

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My trusty 25 tonne pipe bender gets much use at this point.

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And tubes with all manner of bentness are formed mostly against their will.

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The left hand frame tube has to do a bit of a reach around to get to the mounting point behind the injection pump.

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Then it was making some webbing templates and hacking them out of some thinner steel .

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This will hopefully provide some extra strengthening,

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This will hopefully provide some extra strengthening,

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Welded up.

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Welded up.

Well that's all for now.

I'll be up dating every week or so as time and motivation allow.
Last edited by Mouse on Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:19 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: 1900 WV Dnepr rebuild, with TURBO!

Post by Tetronator » Tue Apr 04, 2017 5:41 pm

Woo! This should be good.
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Re: 1900 WV Dnepr rebuild, with TURBO!

Post by the grinch » Wed Apr 05, 2017 6:00 am

looking good are you going to stick with the fly by wire pump or put a manual pump on it. I dont have the choice but I can live with this I was after a vw realy but ford was cheep.

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Re: 1900 WV Dnepr rebuild, with TURBO!

Post by Mouse » Wed Apr 05, 2017 7:56 am

the grinch wrote:lare you going to stick with the fly by wire pump
I'd like to, there is a DIY project for the Bosch VP37 pump. I've been following it but it appears to have made no progress from a few years ago after stalling at a particular technical point regarding a specialist sensor inside the pump. I've got a few ideas to bodge it to make the project work and failing that there is always opening up the pump and replacing the sensor with one that can be interfaced with easily.
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Re: 1900 WV Dnepr rebuild, with TURBO!

Post by pietenpol2002 » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:36 am

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there are claims of 200+hp as that would be irresponsible and silly
We'd be fine with having you do both. And thanks for posting up this build. Great stuff.
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Re: 1900 WV Dnepr rebuild, with TURBO!

Post by Mouse » Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:01 pm

pietenpol2002 wrote:We'd be fine with having you do both.
It would be rude not to have stoichiometric fuel ratio at maximum boost. 8)
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Re: 1900 WV Dnepr rebuild, with TURBO!

Post by nanno » Sun Apr 09, 2017 10:24 am

Ooooooh, following with great interest!

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Re: 1900 WV Dnepr rebuild, with TURBO!

Post by Mouse » Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:58 pm

So with the engine firmly attached to the front subframe it is onto the rear subframe and suspension.
I wanted something strong, reasonable easy to make and use common parts. So I opted to use the same setup as the BMW R series of bike as they use taper bearing which are very strong and adjustable. Plus I had a couple of the stub axle bits whatever they are called.

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For this to work I need housings and supports for the bearings. which were knocked up on the recently acquired lathe.

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I have since learned how to do single point thread turning on my lathe but here I am using a M22 x 1.5 tap (If I remember correctly). If you ever wondered wht the end of a tap appears to be countersunk this is why, it is so you can align it using the tailstock or similar.

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TaDa!! Bearing supports and bits. My first real job with the lathe and I certify it has paid for its self already :lol:

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Aligned to show how they will be assembled.

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Then it is mocking up where I want the swing arm bits to go.

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Which is easier said than done.

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Motivating my self with some seat options.

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Then back to the grind and welding up the swing arm bearing support.

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The stub axle things have a hole right the way through them so I take advantage of that and assemble the parts using cheap (disposable) roller ball bearings and then a length of studding done up tight. This ensured everything was aligned before welding started. When I say disposable they are heat damaged in the final welding stage and ended up in the bin after this.

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Then welding it up to make the rear subframe of the bike.

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Success, it appears to be working.

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and even looks like it might be successful.

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Top view to show how it is coming togeather.

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Then it's mocking up the final drive parts so the rear swing arm can be constructed.

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Making those curves in the tube was no easy task. I only have a simple hydraulic bender and was sure it was going to break at several points.

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After I was almost sure I had it right it was welded to the bearing carrier.

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To cut a very long and tedious part of the story short I bought some Spax adjustable coil over shocks from ebay for a grand total of about £10. They all looked fit for the bin in the description and photos but my bet was right and I was able to make one good one from the four scrappers that were sent to me. I also had to change the spring to get the right strength and this is no easy task to calculate.

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I did some sums and even checked with someone who had his fingers in and out of Formula Ford racing and everything was wrong. Eventually I got some random springs from someone shutting shop and emigrating and one of those was about right.


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It supports its own rear end at last.
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Re: 1900 WV Dnepr rebuild, with TURBO!

Post by Mouse » Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:49 pm

After the rear wheel could support the weight of the bike I moved on to attach the front suspension. Because the bike is going to be heavy, but not ridiculously so, I decided to use a 1200 Bandit front end I had stashed away from past biking adventures.
For this to fit I need to make a new spindle for the yolks.

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As this is also my first time single point thread turning on the bike I have to do a couple of practice threads.

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these are something like M20 x 1.5mm

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Then it is on to the real stuff. A blank of bright bar (the same diameter as the ID of the bearing) bought fresh from ebay for about a tenner.

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First bring the stock down to the required diameter.

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Then with a 60° cutting bit do a scratch cut to check everything is set up properly.

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My lathe keeps popping over the detent so I fixed it the only way I knew how to. :evil:

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After much fiddling the thread is finished.

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And is spins on like a dream.

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This then forms the bottom of the spindle. If you were wondering the fancy nut is from the front axle nut of a lot of VW cars.

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Then it's on to the more tricky top end of the spindle.
M25X1.0mm is something of past nightmares but today I have a modern thread cutting lathe. :wink:

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The two main diameters are turned onto the blank showing the original for scale.

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Then testing the setup is straight with a M6x1.0 tap as I can not find my thread gauge.

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It is now looking familiar.

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TaDaaaa the nuts spin onto the fresh threads like a well oiled piece of properly made machinery.
If you have never done single point thread turning on a lathe you will never know just how satisfying this is.

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Then assembled with the top yolk before removing it from the lathe.

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I Has a new spindle. A lot of work but much more satisfying than any other bodge tastic alternative I could ever dream up.

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And here it is fitted to the Russian frame.


If you want to see me do a bit of thread cutting then check out this video I did when cutting the bottom nut thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNOkcghZpTo
Kubota Z482 which is plodding on with unnerving reliability. Three years so far.
1900 Diesel Bike being rebuilt with better clutch control.

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